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Tuesday, January 12th, 2010
2:54 am - New member question!

Howdy all,

I wanted to revive this community or see if there is an alternative community that the members here have moved to?

Well, if you are still around, I wanted to pose some questions for conversation. :)

First one:

~Do teachers have an socially accepted or required obligation to teach subjective matters such as manners, ethics, morals etc to children and if so, how do we/should we standardize or measure the success of this in a “teach to the test” culture?

We will go from there and hoping to find fun conversation. :)

Thanks from a new member,

Kelly :)

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Friday, February 1st, 2008
9:06 am - it's here...

And Lo, in the darkness of puesdo-thought there came a light. In the wastelands of irrationality, there came a beacon.

THE 2013C.E. Society.

We are born, this 1st day of Feburary, 2008 C.E.

Out Purpose...

Is to liberate the captured minds that have been enslaved by the belief that the world MUST end in the year 2012. To free minds from the shackles of conspiracy theory and psuedo-science.

If you, like myself, can not remain silent in the face of silliness, then please feel free to join the society and do your part in the fight for real thought.


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Sunday, March 19th, 2006
8:09 pm - perfection

throughout my meditations, i have wondered about perfection. what is perfection? what is perfect? what is flaw?

well i came up with:

the definition of perfection is without flaw. however, if a man had a "perfect" life, would he be happy? i dont believe so. this is only one of the reasons that i believe perfection itself to be flawed (the other ones would take alot more explaining). by this logic, something can not be perfect unless it had a flaw.

lets take for example the tree. trees are "beautiful", right? but they are twisted and disfigured! by all means they should not be considered "beautiful". but yet they are. now aply this to perfection. it is the flaw in somethign that makes it perfect. so i believe everything to be perfect.

thoughts? opinions?

current mood: thoughtful

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Monday, January 9th, 2006
11:02 am - Hello


I read Socrates Cafe over the holidays and am interested in finding a place like this. I am going to check out one in real life, but I think being part of one on the net would be interesting also.

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Wednesday, September 29th, 2004
1:25 pm - Spur of the moment

This site is certified 29% EVIL by the Gematriculator

This site is certified 71% GOOD by the Gematriculator

The Gematriculator is a service that uses the infallible methods of Gematria developed by Mr. Ivan Panin to determine how good or evil a web site or a text passage is.

Basically, Gematria is searching for different patterns through the text, such as the amount of words beginning with a vowel. If the amount of these matches is divisible by a certain number, such as 7 (which is said to be God's number), there is an incontestable argument that the Spirit of God is ever present in the text. Another important aspect in gematria are the numerical values of letters: A=1, B=2 ... I=9, J=10, K=20 and so on. The Gematriculator uses Finnish alphabet, in which Y is a vowel.

Experts consider the mathematical patterns in the text of the Holy Bible as God's watermark of authenticity. Thus, the Gematriculator provides only results that are absolutely correct.

I took the explaination off the page I thought you guys might like this.

current mood: devious

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Saturday, August 28th, 2004
4:56 pm - Logic

What is Logic?

This is cross-posted in several different communities. The link above is to my page where it is more convenient for me too keep track of all the replies.

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Friday, May 28th, 2004
12:53 am - Thought Invoking

            The key to a wide range of philosophical and political questions is determining the origin of thoughts. By thoughts I mean the voice that is derived from my thinking. For example, the thought coming to me currently is how I will structure the description of how thoughts are a key that will fit the locks of questions such as determinism and abortion.

            In terms of current biological studies and those of neurologists, humans have yet deciphered the origin of thoughts. The current ideal is that the nerves in the brain, neurons, produce thoughts and signals are passed via electrochemical signals. Somewhere within the signal is transferred from dendrites to the nucleus to the axon a thought is produced. However, there are still numerous of people that believe in a thought process outside of the boundaries of the brain.

            Why is determining what thoughts are so crucial? The first application it would provide would show what alive is. By seeing what is alive, the debate of abortion will quickly come to a close, as people will know when it is the actual killing of a conscious being. A second application would confirm whither the philosophical theory of determinism is correct. Determinism is a theory based on cause and effect. It says that if all information of this plain of existence is known, then the future can be determined and everything is fated to occur. If thoughts are just functions of the brain responding to a certain stimuli and producing an output then humans are fated to a certain demise. Not only are humans fated to do certain things, the question of personal identity is brought into question. If indeed thoughts are just a function of brain cells running a program based on inputs, then are we nothing more than over complex computers? Another philosophical question that will be answered will be the possible existence of an afterlife. If thought exist outside this plain of existence, then it is truly possible that there is an afterlife beyond the physical bounds of this world.

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Friday, May 21st, 2004
1:16 pm - Stepping Out From the Shadows

Just saying hello, and hope to make myself at home here. I read Socrates Cafe a while back, so I was happy to find that there's an LJ community about it. I'm new to philosophy, so I felt it'd be good if I got some sort of feedback on the things I've been reading.

current mood: mellow

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Thursday, April 15th, 2004
5:34 pm
silversphynx009 I'm new here and this seemed like an interesting place to join.

I find Philosophy to be very interesting.

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Saturday, February 14th, 2004
12:21 am - Applause
quiet_koan I saw Bela Fleck in concert last night. He's a banjo player who I believe is well known for doing bluegrass. I had never heard of him before Tuesday. He wasn't playing bluegrass last night. It was more classical. A lot of classical.

Now I like classical music...

As in I like to work to classical music, I like to read to classical music, I like to do other things while listening to classical music.

Now there's no denying Bela's talent. His music is beautiful. But I just can't listen to slow paced classical as an activity in itself. I actually think that many in the audience were expecting a bit more bluegrass and a bit less classical.

Anyways...what sparks this journal entry (turned post...) is what happened at the end of the show...

He got a standing ovation.

Now he's talented and a good performer and I had a good time...but I can't remember the last time I went to a show where there wasn't a standing ovation.

I seem to think there was a time when standing ovations were reserved for the truly great performances. A standing ovation was something to write home about.

Not so now. Now it's a ritual. The performer does his "last act" and leaves the stage as you *stand* to clap. You don't move to leave because the lights haven't come on and that tells you that you're not supposed to leave yet. The performer still has to come out and do an encore (that formerly optional portion of the show that was once an honor for a performer)...at least once...it depends on whether or not the lights come on.

So now that standing ovations are standard...how do you show distinguished honor for the great performances?

current mood: cynical

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Wednesday, February 11th, 2004
8:50 pm - what do you think?

as human beings we are constantly trying to adapt to find a home, a niche, somewhere that we belong and feel love. though many people try to ignore that need or deny its existance, it is always a need inside of each and every one of us, waiting to come out at any oppurtunity. it is within everyone yet even some of who i consider to be the wisest people i know, still have the arrogance to believe themselves above that need, do you?

i think i might.

current mood: curious

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Monday, February 9th, 2004
6:54 pm - Fundamentals; syllogism and suchlike

* Syllogism, at encyclopedia.com
* The introduction to "How Ideas Work" - Why should men take their minds seriously? (an interesting book ... see excerpts) a quoteCollapse )
* Reasonable - "Reasonable is the award-winning, revolutionary new software for reasoning." (Related: Inspiration - "Inspiration strengthens critical thinking, comprehension, and writing across the curriculum, in language arts, science, social studies and anytime [there is the] need to structure research or other thought processes.")

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Saturday, January 17th, 2004
5:58 pm - heated subject

I know what might get this community going- debating Bush and the war. However, I shall refrain from doing that because I have found that the sides are drawn not on philosophical lines, but political lines.

So, I ask instead, how would you deal with the mentally ill person who is trying to get a job, but can't because the mental illness sneaks thru somehow in the job interview. I know the law, but that law is hard to uphold. It is hard to prove discrimination when mental illness is the question. (The counting how many people are mentally ill vs. not mentally ill is silly. Most places do not have hardly any mentally ill people.) How would help get these people off of disability or welfare and into good paying jobs. Some of these people are very bright. Bipolar just got in the way.
TPKyteroo jaunting off

current mood: quixotic

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Saturday, November 1st, 2003
3:08 pm
catatonicchorus Just some random, petty thoughts from a 16-year old boy in Tampa

I start to think about love, and how it came into existence
I think its convenience that fostered love into our minds as an actual thing.

I watch my cats at my house, they approach me wanting affection, not for food or safety, since the environment they are in doesnt require constant survival. They start to have desire for affection.. I put this idea on mankind. As we were surviving day to day, we chose mates just for breeding purposes, not because they shared the same interests as us. When convenience came into the picture... Fire, Specialization, etc. There was more time for thinking and pondering (rather than fighting for their lives each minute), then which created personalities.. certain ways of thinking, certain hobbies.. which others would connection with and relate to, creating affection which ultimately created a love between them.

As parental love and family love goes.. i merely think its a natural instinct of a parent and family to do it.. its the love between to un-related people that continues to boggle my mind.. and will continue to do so..

well.. i know im probably writing a published book, and this has been thought thousands of times over by PH.d.'s in philosophy and sociology.. I still decided to put it here..

good day! :)

current mood: calm

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Wednesday, October 15th, 2003
2:50 am - The Driving Forces of Economy

Hello all, here's an essay I've written in response to some of the people I've been meeting (on LJ and other places...)

It seems the more people I come in contact the more people I find who still have a basic distrust for both currency and commerce. Quite frankly, I'm surprised by this. Now, I'm hardly going to defend all businesses everywhere (many of the largest are led by decieving crooks). But until one has a firm understand of the basic prinicples of economics, I don't see how he or she can make at practical decisions or intelligent philosophical assertions (that deal with how people should live). The simple fact is that economics is study of meeting human needs. It is the study of the social interactions that are mankind's most powerful force in survival and propsperity. This will be something a primer of the information you'd get in an economics class.
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Saturday, August 30th, 2003
12:06 am - Since this community consists of intelligent beings, I'll bring this subject to light..

The Wall Between Church and State
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current mood: contemplative

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Monday, August 25th, 2003
9:58 pm - Hello out there ...

Well, I just went to my first meeting of our local Socrates Cafe (see my journal for more if you're interested), and I liked it so much, I had to see if there was a community on LJ ... because I've broken down and admitted that I am helplessly addicted to LJ these days.

Here's a potential subject for debate (thanks to technomom): this article gives a pretty good argument for the idea that public schools in the US were designed to produce only barely educated kids, and even if our ideals have changed, the school system hasn't.

My favorite part is when the Senate Committee on Education issues a report in 1888 that says, among other things, "We believe that education is one of the principal causes of discontent of late years manifesting itself among the laboring classes."

So, opinions, comments, etc. Can our currently designed school system work any better than it was originally designed to? Is it possible (and I'm not suggesting some great Illuminati-type conspiracy here), that in many places, this is actually still the real goal? Considering that the rising cost of college is putting it more and more out of reach of the average person, it's an interesting line of thought.

I hope people are still interested in participating here.

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Wednesday, August 13th, 2003
6:29 pm - I'm disappointed

36 members and none of you post philosophical ideals, up for debate? God, politics, war, love, hate, relationships, the media, nature, consumers, college, business... I could go on. Its not like there is nothing to discuss. I'd imagine that debaters joined up on this community to have the opportunity to debate subject matter.

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Thursday, May 15th, 2003
6:59 pm - Involvement

I was told about the idea of Socrates Cafe by my girlfriend and I just happened to stumble upon this community, so I'll pose a question:

How involved should an indiviual be in the running of their own nation, and world? According to the Taoist principle of wu wei, one should simply simply "go with the flow", to use the cliche. Obviously many in the west do not subscribe to this belief. But our government and mainstream media look down upon activism, although it is the foundation of the democracy they claim to be a part of. Most Americans seem to be content only with votes that they believe will count. But I'm getting on a tangent.

What I think: If we are members of a supposed democracy, we should act like it. If this is a government for and by us, we should be more involved in it. Too many people are disenfranchized and ignore politics and current events. Of course someone would have the right not to be involved, but like the adage goes, if they don't participate, they can't complain.

What do you guys think?

current mood: curious

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Sunday, April 6th, 2003
1:13 am - feng shui
ti_nonso Motivation. All things are motivated to act by external stimuli. The rock falling. The wind blowing. The man jogging. Each is linked to a specific motivating force. Nothing happens which is not first motivated.
But, as sentient beings, we are gifted a degree of control over such forces. We have certain obligations (such as jobs and families) that may override the desire to do other, more enjoyable, things. Thusly, are we constrained to the natural order of things, as the net motivational force (desire, necessity, entropy). Or, does the system breakdown with the inclusion of rational beings?

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